On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:29:24 -0400, Garfinkel, Beth Diane wrote:
> Bach's Cello Suites. I
> once heard Christine Kyprianides give a lecture in which she
> demonstrated that those pieces were impossibly to play on the cello
> with existing technique at the time--it's the thumb position that
> makes them possible, and it wasn't adopted until much later.
which is so much nonsense, it hurts. Take a gander at the Gabrielli
Sonatas (Domenico Gabrielli, 1651-1690, not the 16th.c. venetian
compaser). Beyond that, whoeversheis doesn't know s--- apparently about
the topic; thumb position? where please to any extent? To one going
beyond my relatively modest cello technique?
I cannot recommend highly enuf:
Johann Sebastian Bach
6 Suites a Violoncello Solo senza Basso
Pour enregistrer ces suites, Bruno Cocset a eu recours à pas moins de
six instruments différents. Habiter chaque violoncelle pour mieux
habiter chaque suite. Tour à tour, l’instrument se fait polyphoniste,
mélodiste, maître à danser, conteur.
Those are all new cellos!
The only sonata that commonly requires extended use of the thumb
position is the 6th and that is because today's cellists play a
rewritten edition for standard tuning on the modern instrument while
the the original is for a 5 string cello with a high "e" string. So
much for thumb position. I don't have one, either, but when I restored
a 17th.c;. Turin anon. original a couple of years ago,
I made some attempt to at least read the original. It ain't that hard.
BTW, here's the classic cello, Ambroise de Comble à Tournay, 1754, of
the same professional I restored as well:
Both necks are new with proper angles and dimensions, both scrolls are
original, extensive repair in the interior was necessary, especially
with the 5-string which originally did not have a neck block at all.
Now it is in its original state. Fingerboard and tailpiece arching and
bridges - each a very different model, much different from a modern
cello as well.
Back on topic, the 5th sonata is in scordatura, here a simple one with
the "a" string tuned down to "g." While this has no effect on thumb
position or not, it has profound effect on playability of certain
double stops, AND it show precisely how much was actually played in the
first three positions and how much open string.
I do have a ca 1740 original Italian cello which had lost its original
label in favor of a Rogeri label, obviously to increase the price
immensely. For size and model, it does resemble a Rogeri and curiously,
the Rogeri label is original, a collector's item in itself. The cello
is nevertheless, very fine.
> p.s. Has anyone ever succeeded in building a working "viola pomposa"?
My master Eberhard Heinemann made two to order, both 5 string, and I
have one here I started while in training and will probably never
'Dogs look at you like they know
what you've done, and they're going to tell the other dogs'