On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:02:54 -0500, Tilman Skowroneck wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:28:22 -0500, Brad Lehman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>Furthermore, as a contrast against Werckmeister III in this investigation,
>>*play* through all that Buxtehude in 1/6 comma meantone (with the typical
>>compass including Eb, Bb, F#, C#, G#) and listen to Buxtehude's favoring of
>>sharps, even where they're tuned as flats. [Light enough as 1/6 comma, IMO
>>it works very nicely most of the time, but not so well in 1/5 or 1/4.]
>>Also note that any of this is something of a slippery slope, if tablature
>>and/or transposition ever had anything to do with it....
>Our own Ibo's forthcoming dissertation will include enough material to show
>that all these speculations surely do not apply to the organs of old Bux's
>time and place, which were 1/4 comma meantone. Much new documantary and
>discussion to be expected, and the slope not that slippery afterwards. The
>disputation will be in Gothenburg on Dec. 4th
I hope we will be able to see it.
>Otherwise, we do not know how Buxtehude tuned his clavichord, and whether
>there were any split sharps in his household.
If he used a pairwise-fretted clavichord of the usual pattern, all the
pairs are small semitones, with Eb and Bb paired with E and B, not with
D and A. Pressing harder would push C#, G#, and F# toward their
respective enharmonic flats, but not E and B.
In the treble, it would be possible to bend the tangents left to spread
the pair toward the sharp, but if the fretting extends much into the
bass it can be a real problem. If, as Tilman says, Bux.'s organs were
in quarter-comma, it seems reasonable that his clavichord would not
have been so abnormal.
>Yet again otherwise, anyone with some practical experience of so-called
>well-tempered temperamenty temparaments can, with a little idle fiddling,
>turn a sharpy temp into a flatty one, and one may assume that _if_
>Buxtehude had such experience [which appears to be un-provable with the
>existing evidence], and _if_ he then favored sharps and less flats [and not
>just the surviving scores suggest that statistic], and _if_ it did matter
>to then-contemporary ears, he would quite probably have known his own
>precious temperament that sounded best to him, when playing his music, _if_
>he did play his music, _if_ his clavichord [other than his organ,
>apparently] had a compass to accomodate this music [yeah, and if it was a
>clavichord. Okay okay]. I forget an 'if' or two. Just to show exactly how
>slippery everything remains.
>finally done with this concert tour, and 4000 kilometers [yes] older
Rodney Myrvaagnes Opinionated old geezer J36 Gjo/a
"Bilgewater, I am the late Dauphin."