Messiaen's LIVRE du SAINT SACREMENT also has some lovely movements that
could certainly be used for liturgy.
--Sharon Hettinger
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From: Nicholas Russotto
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Re : Messiaen (was: Organ Music DEPICTING Water)
Um...the Mass for Pentecost sure looks like it was written for
liturgy, and I think there are many of his works that are perfectly
suitable in length for voluntaries.
NFR
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Nicholas F. Russotto
New York, N.Y.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Chanvrelin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:22:06 -0500
>> From: Robert Watson <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> when I studied Composition at the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto---
>> one of the techniques we were looking at was the innovations of
>> Messsian ----even though I was there in the early 1990s. It was nice to
>> see the works of an *organist* being used as an example for composition
>> students.
>
> Since 1800, Messiaen is one of the very seldom examples of organist beeing
> a really valuable top-levelled first-class composer. Two others are
> Mendelssohn and Franck.
>
>> I learned many things from that era of my life. I write from time to
>> time, and it is all in a very traditional way now. It is my style.
>
> Messiaen's mode2 is one of the most helpful tool for nicely improvising in
> any occasion on immediate request, and is considered as a kind of
> Messiaen's signature -- despite it was used quite earlier (Ravel, Alain,
> etc). Any improviser has to have it in his/her tool-box.
>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:49:08 +0800
>> From: Bob Elms <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> I heard Gillian Weir play Messiaen on the organ in my church. "The
>> Angels" blew me away. I also heard Pierre Cochereau play the whole of
>> "The Nativity" on the Cathedral organ in Perth
>
> It seems highly significant to me that most performed organ pieces by
> Messiaen are from his first period (L'Ascension, The Nativity, the Banquet
> celeste and l'Apparition de l'Eglise Eternelle, the latter beeing rather
> weak IMHO) to which can be added the absolutely superb Preludes for the
> piano, and they are good reasons for this. After the war, Messiaen was
> influenced by Boulez' opinions who was in his class, and began writing
> works as the Livre d'Orgue and the followers. Who plays those in concert?
> Not to speak of services. They can be heard only in competitions now...
>
>> Was it [Le Banquet] ever intended to be a church voluntary? I have only
>> heard it in recitals.
>
> Of course not. Messiaen never wrote organ pieces for liturgy, and by all
> means the shortest of his works would be too long...
>
> NG
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