Andrew, as you seem so enamored with Prof. Jarvis' work, I think you need
to look at this with a more critical eye.


Prof. Jarvis is making very controversial and monumental claims which would
contradict decades of Bach studies. So the imperative is for him to prove
his case.
And a book or documentary does not cut it. He needs to publish in scholarly
peer-reviewed journals and present at scholarly conferences. If Prof.
Jarvis has
such a compelling case he will have no fear of scrutiny. But that is not
what has transpired. Until he submits himself to the scholarly Bach
community (and make no mistake Prof. Jarvis is not a Bach expert) and
defends his bold claims I will regard his assertions as fatuous.

Regards,
Zach


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On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Andrew Bernard <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hi Theodore,
>
> If you would love to know the answers to these questions, I urge you to
> read Prof. Jarvis’s book. He is trained in forensic handwriting analysis,
> which is a very subtle, highly developed, and refined science, used to
> prove murder in some cases, so a serious business not to be mocked or
> scorned. There are techniques for establishing whether a document is
> copied, in fact. Much subtle evidence, and this is explained in the book.
>
> The comparison with Maria Barbara and Scarlatti is unfair and irrelevant.
> That’s an entirely different matter and logic says it has no bearing on
> this case, just because that is wrong proves nothing about Bach.
>
> Professor Jarvis has dedicated a vast amount of scientific and
> musicological research to this topic, and it is worth listening to him with
> an open mind.
>
> Well worth a read.
>
> As to the Aria, many scholars feel it is not by JSB, but we’ll start a
> different thread for that one later! In the book by Jarvis, that point is
> not really touched on, as it does not go to the heart of the matter of the
> authorship.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On 28 October 2014 at 01:11:22, Theodore Diehl ([log in to unmask])
> wrote:
>
> Funny. The same idea came up about Maria Barbara and Scarlatti years ago
> but never amounted to much. There was a wonderful, one page humorous
> response written by Kirkpatrick about it I recall reading somewhere.
>
> In any case I would love to know how a scientist is able to
> differentiate the handwriting between a person copying an autograph (or
> taking down musical dictation)
> compared to a person writing down a musical score 'in autograph quality'
> during the compositional process.
> "Kraut und Ruben" in the Aria with Variations is not from Bach, so why
> does the scientist think it is so important that the opening aria might
> be written by someone other than Bach?
> The 'news' will however be great for selling the book.
> Regards,
> Theodore
>
>
>
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